Just a thought. And since American money isn’t worth much in these healthier economies, maybe the government could help subsidize this worthwhile project.

We would be better off if suburban elitist libs were required to visit downtown Detroit and see the glory of democrat run cities

•You own something that says, "Dukakis for President, " and still display it.
•You’ve ever said, "We really should call the ACLU about this."
•You believe that a few hundred loggers can find another career, but the defenseless spotted owl must live in its preferred tree.
•You ever based an argument on the phrase, "But they can afford a tax hike because…"
•You keep count of how many people you know in each racial or ethnic category.
•You believe our government must do it because everyone in Europe does.
•You can’t talk about foreign policy without using the word conspiracy.
•You think Ralph Nader makes a lot of sense.
•You don’t understand why anyone was bothered by Jane’s trip to Hanoi.
•You think solar energy is being held back by those greedy oil companies.
•You think the State of Florida should have tried to reform Ted Bundy.
•You think the Great Society has actually worked.
•You don’t see the similarity between WONK and WANK.
•You got teary-eyed during the film "The American President."
•You think Ayn Rand is an African currency.
•Your house smells like a garbage dump because of your commitment to recycling.
•You think political patronage describes the Kennedy family.
•Your High School Year Book goals included the words "live off food stamps."
•You think the Free Market is where they hand out Government cheese.
•You think Carter should be on Mt. Rushmore.
•You believe personal injury lawyers when they say they are just trying to defend the little guy.
•You know that those profit mongering drug companies could find a cure for AIDS if they really wanted to.
•You actually believe the NY Times and Washington Post.
•You know at least one Vegan.
•You trust Teddy Kennedy when he said that she was driving.
•You’d rather own Birkenstock than Merck Stock.
•You think public housing is great, but just NIMBY.
•You think the anti-war protestors from ’60s are the real heroes.
•You think that Supply Side Economics refers to your dope dealer’s stash.
•You think Michael Jackson is a great example of diversity.
•You actually think that poverty can be abolished by giving them more and more money.
•You think that Joan Baez had something to say.
•You admire the Swedish welfare system.
•You know that Jefferson really meant to say "Entitled to Happiness."
•You think the Flat Tax should be at 95%
•You go to Gay Pride Day parades so that no one can call you homophobic.
•After looking at your pay stub you can still say, "America is undertaxed."

LOL, if you use the American Flag as a door mat
you accidentally win a marathon , while running to Canada to dodge the draft
you think the victim, is always the guilty one********************************************************************************************

My question is, why does the conversation never get into retraining? It is cost effective, socially progressive, and helps shape the future towards ideals. By not allowing so much outsourcing, there would be plenty of jobs for the unemployed and for those that are changing careers. As well, if as oil was replaced with say solar as an energy source, there would still be jobs just retraining would be needed.

The government and businesses do not allow alternatives to those jobs that exist.
You may do business and eat or have principles.
The poor can’t afford to go green.
No urban planning, no public transit, no green energy.
No bike lanes!

America’s not a progressive country.
Don’t even try to be rational – they drive. They kill. They use petrol.

well there was the um….no that was science

plus the….oh no that actually killed all those people.

Can you come back to me?

1) Suppose you have a pond, and then it rains heavily on one part of the pond. The rainwater would be redistributed equally across the surface of the entire pond. The depth of all parts of the pond would raise by exactly the same amount, whether or not rainwater fell on any part of the pond. And it still rains….because the rain pours on the pond not to enrich just where that cloud is situated, but for the greater good of the entire pond.

Scientifically, if ponds of water behaved like American society, there would be no ponds of water. Because all the rain clouds would have no incentive to exist unless each area of the pond did not connect to any other part of the pond.

As a society, we are all like a pond and we share the earth and wealth and food and solar energy…and this proves my point, we’d be happiest if like that pond, we shared each money cloud in common….

Does this anlogy work for most of you?
Now, to an extent we are like the pond. You give an employee wealth and he consumes goods and services, which helps businesses grow.

You give an employer wealth, and he may hire another worker, enriching that worker….

so why not expedite the redistribution process by just having the Govt do it
As for people, we have a system where people receive tattoos for hard work….just like ponds have ripples to show where rain fell……
Now those who are not working hard would have the least tattoos and people would be disgusted with them for not pulling their fair share…while they enjoy the same amenities for being human

Talk about a dumb example! The pond does nothing to create the water it holds. The pond doesn’t have human nature.

The government doesn’t create wealth, in fact the bureaucrats skim the cream off the top, gaining greater benefits & security than the private sector.

Carter started and ethanol program which Reagan promptly stopped after Carter’s defeat. Reagan, to make a statement about which direction we would go, removed the solar panels from the White House roof when elected.

More intelligent societies like German who refuse to be lead my the nose by their corporate masters are light years ahead of us in solar technology.

If we don’t wake up, we will be using solar and wind technology purchased from the Chinese.

Most Americans aren’t smart enough to realize that we are sacrificing our future, our economy and our environment for the sake of oil companies.

Ethanol costs more than twice what gasoline does and causes food prices to rise because there being depleted for fuel. What we should do is tap our own vast resources of oil which is several times that of the middle east. Solar panels are a joke at best they are a supplemental energy source.

""it’s developed, overrun, consumed, and polluted by runaway population growth. It’s not too late, and we hope that you will join us in this effort.""

Claudine Schnieder, who also sits on the board of trustees of American Solar Energy Society, the Climate Institute, TERI (led by IPCC head, Rajendra Pachuari), and the Center for Resource Solutions was the former member of the house of representatives from Rhode Island who in the early days of the climate change debate said:

"Scientists may disagree [about climate change] but we can hear mother earth and she is crying"

- She now sits on the board of the Union of Concerned Scientists.

Do you agree with Claudine Schneider that immigration must be effectively halted and population stabilised and then reduced to help prevent climate change and ensure we don’t exceed "carrying capacity"?

http://www.carryingcapacity.org/whatis.html
http://www.claudineschneider.com/

Well, it’s the 64 thousand dollar question.

I haven’t read those articles yet, but I will do.

The answer must lie with whether Climate Change is real or not, and if it is, whether man is adding to the problem.

If they’re real, then her point is valid, even if unpopular.

Even if you remove Climate Change from the equation, it still seems to me that we are overpopulating the planet. Again, if that’s also true, then it’s not just a question of immigration, it’s also a question of birth control. The more people on the planet, the more land is needed to sustain their needs, wherever they are.

Although the majority of the population explosion happens in underdeveloped countries, it’s people in the developed countries who place the most drain on world resources. Most of those are crammed into the cities, but we still require bio productive land to sustain our needs.

Take the population figures for the UK: http://puttheworldright.com/climate_change.html#ukpf

From the air it might look like we have plenty of space, but the figures say otherwise. It’s claimed if we never imported our requirements from elsewhere in the world, we would only have enough food for about three days.

Technology may reduce the problems to some extent, but the planet’s resources are still finite.

What happened to global warming?

By Paul Hudson
Climate correspondent, BBC News

This headline may come as a bit of a surprise, so too might that fact that the warmest year recorded globally was not in 2008 or 2007, but in 1998.

But it is true. For the last 11 years we have not observed any increase in global temperatures.

And our climate models did not forecast it, even though man-made carbon dioxide, the gas thought to be responsible for warming our planet, has continued to rise.

So what on Earth is going on?

Climate change sceptics, who passionately and consistently argue that man’s influence on our climate is overstated, say they saw it coming.

They argue that there are natural cycles, over which we have no control, that dictate how warm the planet is. But what is the evidence for this?

During the last few decades of the 20th Century, our planet did warm quickly.

Sceptics argue that the warming we observed was down to the energy from the Sun increasing. After all 98% of the Earth’s warmth comes from the Sun.

But research conducted two years ago, and published by the Royal Society, seemed to rule out solar influences.

The scientists’ main approach was simple: to look at solar output and cosmic ray intensity over the last 30-40 years, and compare those trends with the graph for global average surface temperature.

And the results were clear. "Warming in the last 20 to 40 years can’t have been caused by solar activity," said Dr Piers Forster from Leeds University, a leading contributor to this year’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

But one solar scientist Piers Corbyn from Weatheraction, a company specialising in long range weather forecasting, disagrees.

He claims that solar charged particles impact us far more than is currently accepted, so much so he says that they are almost entirely responsible for what happens to global temperatures.

He is so excited by what he has discovered that he plans to tell the international scientific community at a conference in London at the end of the month.

If proved correct, this could revolutionise the whole subject.

Ocean cycles

What is really interesting at the moment is what is happening to our oceans. They are the Earth’s great heat stores.

According to research conducted by Professor Don Easterbrook from Western Washington University last November, the oceans and global temperatures are correlated.

The oceans, he says, have a cycle in which they warm and cool cyclically. The most important one is the Pacific decadal oscillation (PDO).
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Oh it gets better from there! How badly will the MMGW crowd cripple our economy and damage our national security over AN UNPROVEN THEORY?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8299079.stm
"One thing is for sure. It seems the debate about what is causing global warming is far from over. Indeed some would say it is hotting up."
I hear ya folks. Looks like Al needs a new scam!
Great answers thanks. Here’s an interesting flashback…

1633, In April, the Inquisition formally interrogates Galileo, who has been detained in the building of the Inquisition for several weeks. Galileo agrees to plead guilty in order to receive a lenient sentence, and on April 30 he confesses that he advocated Copernican theory too vigorously in the Dialogue. He agrees to modify his opinions in his next work.

In June, the Pope orders Galileo imprisoned indefinitely under house arrest. Galileo makes his way back to his villa in Arcetri, near Florence, where he spends the remainder of his life under house arrest…end
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/galileo/life.html

Flash forward to *Pope Albert of The Blessed Church of MMGW* ~ LOL!
"The Copernican heliocentric model, with the sun at the center of the universe, demonstrated that the observed motions of celestial objects can be explained without putting the Earth at rest in the center of the universe."

couple this with the fact that the AGW crowd lost another "in the pocket" german scientist by the name of Professor Mojib Latif of Germany’s Leibniz Institute who by the way is a "peer reviewed" scientist that the AGW crowd likes to throw in our faces….who said,
"that we are entering a period in which the earth is likely to cool for a period of one to two decades."

also…"Dr. Mojib Latif, a prize-winning climate and ocean scientist from the Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences at the University of Kiel, wrote a paper last year positing that cyclical shifts in the oceans were aligning in a way that could keep the next decade or so relatively cool, even as the heat-trapping gases linked to global warming continue to increase."

but here’s something interesting…

"But Dr. Latif, who gives around 200 talks to the public, business leaders and officials each year, {{said he had been met with confusion and even anger when he tried to describe this normal variation in climate while at the same time conveying the long-term threat of global warming.}}"

but the best is here….

"Still, those projections are based on models, interpretations of tree ring variations and other indirect assessments of past temperatures that, while persuasive to most climate scientists, are not infallible."

and we all thought and have been told…"there is no debate", this is settled science….one more thing to add insult to injury, the antartic is thickening to unprecidented levels and recent satillite photos show the artic ice expanding….i wonder, how much longer before the AGW crowd finally understands that "the wolf can only cry for so long" !!!

Now government can help by switching ITS inputs to renewable forms. That would create sustainable demand, but the political problems would require a grass roots movement to enact.